Info om hingstarna Goya och Gotthard

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Någon som har info om dessa tyska hingstar?
Jag är spekulant på en häst med härstamningen Cortez-Goya-Gotthard.
Vad tror ni om det? Tänkt att det ska bli en hopphäst.
Skulle vara roligt om någon vet något om deras ev. egna tävlingsresultat, avkommor osv.
 
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Menar du hingsten Goya efter Gotthard? Inte att morfar är Goya och GOtthard mormors far!?
 
Sv: Info om hingstarna Goya och Gotthard

Då har jag nog missuppfattat stammen. Goya är alltså e. Gotthard?
Kollade på mammans stam nu i stamboken och det står e. Goya 716 (P.B) u. Wonne, Han. 72782 e. Wohlauf 3950.
Då blir det alltså Cortez-Goya-Wohlauf...
Tack!
Någon info om någon av desse hingstar?
 
Sv: Info om hingstarna Goya och Gotthard

Goya är alltså efter Gotthard.

Gotthard är en av de främsta hoppförärvarna inom hannoveraneraveln.

Här kan du läsa om honom och avkommorna:

http://www.horse-gate.com/jh/

Orkar du kan du läsa om Wohlauf och hans stam här:

THE F-LINE

The F-line goes back to Zemeboq, a Thoroughbred son who came from Pomerania and stood in the mid 1800's The line really began with his great-grandson Flingarth. who stood in the Verden area, 1909-1912, producing about 14 licensed sons. His best son was Fling, (1913-22), and all existing F-line horses go back to Fling. The line was separated into the "F" and 'W" lines according to the two Fling sons Fiener Kerl and Flavius: as of 1989, all stallions licensed in that year and going back to Feiner KerI belong to the F-line; all going back to Flavius form the W-line.


First, the Feiner KerI F-line. Feiner KerI stood in Altenbrugge, and when he died the breeders put up a memorial to him because in his time (1922-43) he had the biggest influence on the Hanoverian breed, producing 114 licensed sons. Going back to Feiner Kerl is the very famous stallion Ferdinand. In his time (1944-67) Ferdinand was perhaps the most famous producer of jumping horses in the world. Werner Schockeinoble once said of Ferdinand. "There has been no stallion known in the younger breeding history who passed on to his sons so consistently courage, confidence, and jumping ability"- and this against all other bloodlines.
Ferdinand's three State Stud sons were born relatively late in his career: Winnetou (1968-79), Wedekind (l970~83) and Wenderkreis (1971-80) Of the Ferdinand sons, Wendekreis had the biggest influence, producing many stallions. Conformation-wise, his offspring are very correct, although needing some refinement on the mother's side. Among his stallion sons some tend to the dressage direction like Wenderlin and Wenderberg while others arc more versatile. This indicates the mother's influence.
Perhaps the best Wendekreis son is Werther, who has a Thoroughbred (Marcio XX) xx) mother, influencing his appearance. Magjn.xx became well known for producing dressage horses, so Werther has very good dressage blood on the mother's side, very good jumping blood on the father's side, and is a good stallion for both disciplines. One of this offspring achieving great dressage success in the U.S. is the gelding Willy the Great, ridden by Hilda Gurney, At the stallion licensing In Verden 1992, Werther was awarded the title Hanoverian Stallion of the Year" - the first stallion ever to have received this award, which was sponsored by the Uetzener Insurance Company.


At the moment one of the most prepotent young stallions producing jumping horses, is a son of Wagner by Wendekreis. Wagner has Gottard on the mother's side, and Wanderer has Glander a very good jumping horse, as his dam's sire. A recent and very prominent son of his is Wanderbursch II. reserve champion at the 1988 Stallion Licensing at Verden, and the top jumping horse in 1989 performance test at Adelheidsdorf. At the stallion licensing in Verden 1992, Fontainebleau a Wanderer/Wenzel son became champion stallion.
From another branch of the Feiner Kerl group is the stallion Watzman An older stallion and more the older type, he has stood since 1972 and for a time was the most-asked-for producer of jumping horses in Hannover. His best known son so far Walzerkoenig - Gold Medal jumper at the 1988 Seoul Olympics. Recently some interesting Watzmann sons were introducd to the state stud-Willem's Ass, Foxhunter and Fleetwood.
branch comes Widerhall very good producer of performance horses who stood from 1968-1973. His son Wienerwald standing since 1975, is one of the most asked-for stallions to produce jumpers. However, as with Watzmann. we sometimes find conformation problems in the progeny-only two sons have made their way to the State Stud-so we need more good stallion sons to continue this valuable blood.
Also from this part of the Flavius branch is Wolfsberg standing from 1967-1982. who is another producer of jumpers.


A very important part of the Flavius branch goes back to Wohler (1953-72). Although relatively small, Wohler was very noble and a very good mover, and he founded mainly a dressage bloodline. His most important son was Woermann. but Wunsch II also produced very good dressage horses like the former European Champion and World Champion Woycek.
The Woermann group is today very much in demand by breeders. Standing from 1975-1988, Woermann was very good in conformation in all respects. and passes this to his offspring. An influential son is Wenzel I, a very prepotent stallion-you can always identify a Wenzel offspring-who has stood since 1980. He has sired many expensive auction horses. German National Champions in the riding-horse competition, and one of his daughters is already the Finnish dressage champion. His offspring are pure dressage horses.


A second influential Woermann son is World Cup 1 standing since 1981. He comes from a Sender/Lugano I mother, which proved a very good combination, with so far 16 sons licensed, five of them standing in Celle. These Woermann sons are producing very correct horses with very good movement. World Cup I is in third place in his age group in the national dressage horse ranking, and so far his best son is Weltmeyer. Weltmeyer won his stallion licensing in 1986; his 1987 performance test; the Three-Year-Old class of the 1987 German National Riding Horse Championship: and in 1989 he became the National Champion of the DLG Breeding Show, a competition of all German Breed societies. He comes from the same mother line as the Wanderer sons Wanderbursch and Wanderbursch II. Prom his first foal crop Weltmeyer produced Wittinger who repeated the successes of his sire: in 1991 he was champion stallion at me stallion licensing. In 1992 he was German National Riding Horse Champion and winner of his performance test at Adelheidsdorf.
A recent licensed son of World Cup is Walt Disney who won his performance test in 1989.
 
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THE G-LINE

Corning now to the G-line, it is Goldfisch II standing from 1939-58 on whom the important G-line horses center primarily through his influential descendants Grande and Gottard The famous Grande. who stood for 25 years, 1962-1987. was noted for his inner values, which compensated for several conformational faults and resulted in his own high performance testing and the performance success of his offspring. With Graf by Goldfisch II more from the jumping side, and with a Duellant mother, Grande combined dressage and jumping bloodlines, and his offspring have been very versatile. his son Garibaldi II sired Gifted, for example, as well as good jumpers. His son Graphit sired the well-known (now deceased) U.S. dressage star Grundstein While standing in Germany, Grundstein was a top producer of both dressage and jumping horses. Also Graslitter by Grande developed into a producer of show jumpers of international class. His son Grandeur was a three dine winner of the German Derby. After being retired from the sport. Grandeur is a very sought after private stallion.
Grannus is another Graphit son being 20 years old, he is already a legend in his lifetime. He became famous as a world class sire of show-jumpers.
In a dressage direction is the stallion Grenadier a Grande grandson. Through his mother-line's Thoroughbred influence (Valet XX ), Grenadier shows improved neck, saddle, and shoulder position. His son Golfstrom belongs to the best German dressage horses.
The famous Gothard, who stood from 1953-1978, is a Goldfisch II son but a very different horse from his close relative Grande. On his mother's side is Amateur I-the same blood as Agram's dam- and one sees again the Arabian characteristics of the Amateur I influence. In his time, Gothard was known as the best producer of jumping horses in the world and his influence continues. Type-wise, Gotthard descendants have continually improved over the generations, without losing the jumping ability. His best son was Gardestern who died early but is yet a leading sire of jumping horses in Germany. Gardestern had three sons in the State Stud, one of whom, Glueckstern unfortunately died in 1987 after standing only three years. Glueckstern won his stallion licensing and the 1989 licensing nearly belonged to him. Four of his sons were licensed and two were taken in the first lot by the State Stud. There are also very high hopes for the Gardestern sons Gimpel and Goldfasan.


Det kommer härifrån:

http://www.hanoverian-gb.org.uk/hhorse.htm
 
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Oj vilka bra sidor! Tusen tack!! Nu har jag massor av läsning framför mig ikväll.
Jag har hört att Goya hoppat i OS. Något du känner till?
 

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